*********************************“What i know is that you don't know and that would include me and all mankind..it"s called Faith...feel free to base ur beliefs on a turkey sandwhich if u wish....i don't care.”
I would ask you: Are you absolutely sure? How do you know we can't know? Knowing that one can't know is the essence of agnosticism. Agnosticism simply means "no knowledge."
I'm asking, how does one arrive at the knowledge that knowledge is inaccessible?
If God had never revealed Himself...agnosticism would, of course, be the only option. But God has revealed Himself in His world, in His word, and in His Son.
This is the clear teaching of scripture. “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:18-19).
In other words, Chuck, according to the Bible, agnosticism is self-imposed and inexcusable. Agnosticism cloaks itself in humility. But in reality, it is the rejection of God’s self revelation. Notice, the scriptures I gave you don’t say man doesn’t know truth, but rather, man suppresses truth. “Not knowing” and “suppressing” are two very different things.
“has nothing to do with agnosticism.....ur truth can be my blasphemy and vice versa.....unless of course ur self proclaiming urself god....again, ur truth and my truth may be two different truths and i don' t claim any religion has exclusivity to God...not even urs...r u startin to get the point…it's all left up to the individual to determine what works best for them.”
Yes, I understand, I fully comprehend, your position. I've had this discussion many times. I understand your position and I fully disagree with it. No orthodox Christian agrees with the non biblical notion that "it's all left up" to us. Nothing could be further from the truth. Christ is clear: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6).
You say this “has nothing to do with agnosticism.” You previously alleged that “mankind” cannot know. Chuck, this is agnosticism by definition. You’ve yet to explain to me how you can know that man cannot know. You’ve yet to actually engage anything I’ve said.
You offer: “ur truth can be my blasphemy and vice versa…” You offer this as an absolute truth statement. You deny absolute Truth [truth which is true for all men at all times and places] yet you keep making absolute truth statements. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. That being said, this particular absolute truth statement of yours is completely false.
Your “truth” statement denies the nature of Truth and it also commits the logical fallacy of denying the Aristotelian law of non contradiction. That is, something cannot be what it is and not be what it is at the same time and in the same relation. For example, it cannot be true that Christ is God the Son incarnate and that He is not God the Son incarnate.
This is the problem with reasoning autonomously rather than biblically: eventually it breaks down into unlivable truth claims and logical absurdities.